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The sources broadly favor threat models grounded in real deployments: identify assets, attackers, access, goals, system dependencies, and plausible tactics, then align testing and mitigations with those conditions. A dissenting safety perspective argues that behavioral testing may reveal dangerous behavior but cannot by itself provide strong evidence that a model is not scheming. The central disagreement is how far practical, observable threat models should extend toward strategic or hard-to-observe failure modes.
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Lens adapted to this topic: Practical models for deployed ML systems
This approach starts with the actual ML system and its operating environment. Model assets, dependencies, interfaces, data sources, users, attacker access, likely tactics, and consequences; distinguish realistic black-box, limited-access, and privileged scenarios. Use the model to select red-teamers and tools, prioritize mitigations, and revisit assumptions as the system changes. The emphasis is on credible, cost-aware threats rather than maximally powerful hypothetical attackers.
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Lens adapted to this topic: Claims that practical testing may miss strategic risks
This perspective accepts deployment realism but warns that an overly narrow operational model can miss models that conceal intentions, adapt to evaluations, or exploit gaps between observed behavior and underlying objectives. It treats behavioral red-teaming as useful for finding evidence of dangerous behavior, but insufficient for establishing its absence, and favors threat models that explicitly include evaluator-aware or strategic models alongside ordinary cyberattack scenarios.
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